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The Beliefs That Arrived Late

Heaven and hell, a devil at war with God, the dead rising: the Bible shows them developing over centuries. The Book of Mormon has them in 600 BC.

The argument

A common argument says Christianity is man-made because it borrowed its biggest ideas from Zoroastrianism, the religion of ancient Persia. That claim goes further than the evidence. But it is built on something scholars do agree on, and that part matters a great deal for the Book of Mormon.

In the Hebrew Bible, a devil at war with God, a heaven and hell for the dead, and a resurrection at the end of time show up late, mostly after the Jews came home from exile in Babylon. The Book of Mormon has all of them, fully formed, in a family that left Jerusalem around 600 BC, before that exile.

The satan in the Old Testament works for God.He sits in God’s court as a prosecutor.
For most of the Old Testament, everyone goes to the same place.Good and bad alike went down to Sheol, the grave.
Resurrection arrives last.Its first clear statement is in Daniel, written around 165 BC.
Where these ideas came from is debated.That they arrived late is not.
The Book of Mormon has them in 600 BC.Already grown, and often in New Testament wording.

1. The satan who worked for God

In Hebrew, ha-satan means “the accuser.” With that article, the word appears in only two books of the Hebrew Bible, Job and Zechariah. In both, he is a member of God’s heavenly court.

Job 1:6, King James Version

Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.

He arrives with the rest of God’s court, reports in, and needs God’s permission to touch Job. He is a prosecutor, not a rival.

Read Job 1

You can watch the change happen inside the Bible itself. The same story, David taking a census of Israel, is told twice. In the earlier telling, God makes David do it. In the later retelling, written after the exile, the role has been handed to Satan.

Earlier: 2 Samuel 24:1Later: 1 Chronicles 21:1
Who moves David to count Israel?“the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them”“Satan stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel”

The contradictions page treats this pair as a contradiction. It is also a timeline. Many scholars read the later writer as uncomfortable with God causing the harm, and as handing it to a satan figure. (In Chronicles the word has no article, so it may be a name or simply “an adversary.”)

2. Everyone went to Sheol

For most of the Hebrew Bible, the dead, good and bad alike, go to Sheol, a shadowy place under the earth. The King James Version usually translates it “the grave” or “hell,” which hides how little it resembles the hell of later Christianity. There is no reward there, and no punishment either.

Ecclesiastes 9:5, King James Version

For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.
Read Ecclesiastes 9

3. The resurrection arrives last

Biblical scholars widely agree that the first clear statement of a resurrection of the dead in the Hebrew Bible is in the last chapter of Daniel. Daniel is generally dated to around 165 BC, because its visions describe the persecution under the Greek king Antiochus IV in detail and then stop being accurate: Daniel 11:45 has him die in the land of Israel, but he died in Persia in 164 BC.

Daniel 12:2, King James Version

And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

Earlier prophets used resurrection as a picture of the nation coming back to life. Ezekiel’s valley of dry bones says so outright: “these bones are the whole house of Israel” (Ezekiel 37:11). Daniel is the first clear promise to individual people.

Read Daniel 12

4. Where the ideas came from is debated

This is where the borrowing argument goes too far. The idea that Judaism borrowed these beliefs from Persia during and after the exile is a real scholarly theory, defended by experts like the historian of Zoroastrianism Mary Boyce. It is also seriously disputed.

“Christianity copied Zoroastrianism” is overstated

The Zoroastrian scriptures we have were written down many centuries after the Persian period, so it is hard to show which ideas came first. Bart Ehrman used to accept the borrowing theory and now says “I’m not so sure. At all.” He notes that “some experts have undercut the entire thesis by pointing out that we actually do not have any Zoroastrian texts that support the idea of resurrection prior to its appearance in early Jewish writings.” Popular versions also get the history wrong. The Persian Empire never covered the whole Mediterranean world, and it lasted about 220 years. Any confident date for Zoroaster himself is a guess; scholarly estimates span roughly a thousand years.

So set Persia aside. Whether these ideas came from Persia, from Greece, or grew inside Judaism on their own, the Hebrew Bible shows them arriving late. That part is not in dispute, and it is all the next section needs.

5. The Book of Mormon has them in 600 BC

The Book of Mormon opens “in the commencement of the first year of the reign of Zedekiah” (1 Nephi 1:4), dated in the Church’s own edition to about 600 BC. Lehi’s family leaves Jerusalem before its destruction in 586 BC, before the Jews lived under Persia, and centuries before Daniel. Here is what his sons preach, within a few decades of leaving.

Exhibit A

2 Nephi 2:17, Lehi speaking

Dated in the Church’s edition to about 588–570 BC

“an angel of God, according to that which is written, had fallen from heaven; wherefore, he became a devil”

What it establishes: The devil as a fallen angel at war with God. Isaiah 14 and Ezekiel 28 are often read that way, but both are aimed at human kings, of Babylon and of Tyre. (The Book of Mormon quotes Isaiah 14:12 in 2 Nephi 24:12, but Lehi’s statement here goes well beyond it.)

Read 2 Nephi 2
Exhibit B

2 Nephi 9:13, Jacob speaking

“the spirit and the body is restored to itself again, and all men become incorruptible, and immortal”

What it establishes: A full, universal, bodily resurrection, about four hundred years before Daniel.

Read 2 Nephi 9
Exhibit C

2 Nephi 9:19, Jacob speaking

“that lake of fire and brimstone, which is endless torment”

What it establishes: A hell of fire, and in the wording of the New Testament: “the lake of fire and brimstone” is from Revelation 20:10, written around AD 95.

Compare Revelation 20:10
Exhibit D

2 Nephi 10:3, Jacob speaking

“it must needs be expedient that Christ” ... “for in the last night the angel spake unto me that this should be his name”

What it establishes: Christ is Greek, the language of the New Testament. It is the Greek translation of the Hebrew word for Messiah.

Read 2 Nephi 10

The same ideas, two timelines

When each idea first appears clearly.

IdeaIn the Hebrew BibleIn the Book of Mormon
Satan as God’s enemyAfter the exile, and fully only in later Jewish writingsAbout 588–570 BC
Heaven and hell for the deadLate; most of the Old Testament has only SheolAbout 559–545 BC
Resurrection of individualsDaniel 12, about 165 BCAbout 559–545 BC
The title “Christ”Greek, so not in the Hebrew Bible at allAbout 559–545 BC

Book of Mormon dates are the ones printed in the Church’s own edition

The Bible shows these beliefs growing over centuries. The Book of Mormon has them already grown, in a family that left before the growing happened.

What is true on the other side

The common rebuttals

“The Bible lost these teachings. The Book of Mormon restored them.”

Then the losses should run backward through time, with the oldest texts the fullest. The Bible shows the opposite. The census story did not lose Satan; the later version added him. The ideas thicken as the centuries go on, which is what growth looks like, not loss.

“Revelation can teach a prophet things before anyone else knows them.”

It could. But revelation would not need to arrive in the phrasing of the King James translators of 1611, quoting a New Testament book that would not be written for seven hundred years. “Lake of fire and brimstone” is not an idea that happened to come early. It is a sentence that came from a specific book.

“Ezekiel already had resurrection, long before Daniel.”

Ezekiel tells you what his vision means: “these bones are the whole house of Israel.” It is the nation coming back from exile, not individuals rising from their graves. It is a vivid picture on the way to the later belief, which is the point.

What this means

None of this proves Christianity was copied from Persia. That claim is weaker than it is usually made to sound. What it shows is that these beliefs have a history you can trace through the Bible: a prosecutor in God’s court becoming God’s enemy, a shadowy grave becoming heaven and hell, a hope for the nation becoming a promise to every person.

A book written in 600 BC should not know how that history turns out. The Book of Mormon knows it in the words of 1611.

Which points to when it was actually written.

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