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What God Did Himself

Not commands to armies. The deaths the text attributes directly to his hand.

How this differs from the other pages

Slavery and genocide covers what God commanded people to do. The God who gave the orders covers who, doctrinally, did the commanding. This page is the third category: deaths the text attributes to God’s own act, no army in between.

The direct judgments

Each entry links to the text. The one-line defenses are the standard ones, stated fairly.

EventToll, per the text
The flood (Genesis 7)Every living thing outside the ark
The firstborn of Egypt (Exodus 12)Every firstborn, from the palace to the dungeon
Korah and the next-day plague (Numbers 16)250 by fire, then 14,700 more
The Baal-Peor plague (Numbers 25)24,000
The census plague (2 Samuel 24)70,000
Uzzah, for steadying the ark (2 Samuel 6)1
Ananias and Sapphira (Acts 5)2

Source: the passages themselves, linked below

The entries that need care

The firstborn. Exodus 12:29 is explicit about the reach: "from the firstborn of Pharaoh that sat on his throne unto the firstborn of the captive that was in the dungeon." The prisoner’s child had no part in Pharaoh’s decree. The measure-for-measure defense, Pharaoh drowned Hebrew boys first, is the strongest available, and it still requires the deaths of children for a king’s crime. Apologists call this the hardest verse in the catalog. Agree with them.

Uzzah. 2 Samuel 6: the oxen stumble, Uzzah steadies the ark, and God strikes him dead beside it. The defense is that the rule was known (the ark was never to be touched). The text itself says David "was displeased, because the LORD had made a breach upon Uzzah," which means your reaction to this story is the one the Bible records its own hero having.

Job’s children. Job 1: ten children die in a collapsing house as the opening move of a wager. The book itself never defends this, and its famous ending answers Job’s questions with none of the reasons the reader was shown in chapter one. Do not let an apologist resolve what the text deliberately leaves unresolved, and do not overstate it either: the book is the canon’s own admission that the problem is real.

The bears story, told accurately

2 Kings 2:23-24 is routinely told as "God killed children for teasing a bald man." Two corrections, and the first one cuts against this site: the King James really does say "little children," so anyone reading the Church’s Bible is reading the harsh version. But the Hebrew word covers young men, the same word describes Joseph at seventeen and soldiers elsewhere, and the King James verb is "tare," meaning mauled, not killed. The accurate version, a gang of youths mauled for mocking a prophet, is still harsh. That is the version worth holding, King James wording and all, because the inflated one collapses the moment anyone checks it.

One more textual honesty note: 1 Samuel 6:19, the men struck down for looking into the ark, reads in the King James as "fifty thousand and threescore and ten men." Scholars across the spectrum treat the large figure as a copying corruption and read seventy. Cite seventy, flag the variant, and note that the Bible in your own house prints the corrupted number.

The common rebuttals

"The giver of life has the right to take it." This is the real defense, and it should be stated at full strength: if a being creates life, sustains it, and owns the moral ledger, categories like murder may not apply to it. Notice only what accepting it costs: it makes "God is good" unfalsifiable by any possible body count, which means the goodness is being asserted, not observed. A claim no death toll could ever count against is a garage no dragon can be evicted from.

Why this should make you question

Read the table again as if it described any other being, ancient or modern. The acts are plagues sent at insults, deaths for touching sacred objects, and children taken to settle scores with their fathers. The texts were written in a world where every nation’s god behaved this way, and that is the simplest explanation for why this one does: the authors wrote the god their age expected. The alternative is that the deaths are real, deliberate, and good, and that the only reason they look otherwise is that you have not stopped trusting your own moral sight. Which, conveniently, is exactly what you would be asked to surrender.

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