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Four Conspiracies, One Test

Flat earth, the Moon landing, chemtrails, and September 11 can each be checked with the same three plain questions. Anyone can run them, on any claim.

The point in one sentence

Flat earth, the Moon landing hoax, chemtrails, and the “inside job” story about September 11 all fail the same three plain questions. What would we see if it were true? What do we actually see? And how many people would have to keep the secret?

This page is about a way of judging evidence, not about how smart anyone is. The same three questions apply to every claim you hold, including the ones you like, and including the ones the person who wrote this page holds.

The Earth from Apollo 17, December 7, 1972. Taken by the crew on the way to the Moon, with the Sun behind them, so the whole disk is lit. Africa and Arabia are at the top, Antarctica at the bottom. Flat earth and the Moon hoax both have to explain this picture away. Photo by NASA (AS17-148-22727), public domain. Image via Wikimedia Commons.

The world these stories came from

Start with the part the believers have right. You may have a cousin, a neighbor, or a parent who holds one of these ideas, and almost none of them are fools. They are people who learned that the people in charge sometimes lie. They were right to learn it.

In 1932 the U.S. Public Health Service, working with the Tuskegee Institute, began a study of syphilis. In the CDC’s words, it enrolled 600 Black men, “399 with syphilis, 201 who did not have the disease.” Then: “By 1943, penicillin was the treatment of choice for syphilis and becoming widely available, but the participants in the study were not offered treatment.” The study ran until 1972. In August 1964 the Gulf of Tonkin “attack” of August 4 was used to win a war resolution from Congress (an earlier clash on August 2 did happen). The Wikipedia summary of the record says: “Later investigation revealed that the 4 August attack did not happen; no North Vietnamese vessels had been present.” An NSA study declassified in 2005 said that incident was “based on bad naval intelligence and misrepresentations of North Vietnamese communications.”

So distrust is earned. Hold on to that, because the rest of this page does not ask you to trust anyone. It asks you to run a test that does not depend on trusting any one source.

When the authorities really did lie, how we found out

Every real cover-up on this list came out through documents, insiders, or investigators, though it often took decades.

1932
The Tuskegee syphilis study begins (CDC).
1943
Penicillin becomes the standard treatment. The study’s men are not offered it (CDC).
1964
The August 4 Gulf of Tonkin “attack” is reported to Congress. Later investigation shows it did not happen.
1972
The Tuskegee study ends after public disclosure. An advisory panel calls it “ethically unjustified” (CDC).
2005
An internal NSA study on Tonkin is declassified.
2016
A physicist publishes the math on how long big secrets last (below). Separately, 76 of 77 atmospheric experts say they have seen no evidence for chemtrails.

Sources: CDC Tuskegee timeline; Wikipedia, Gulf of Tonkin incident; Grimes (2016); Shearer et al. (2016)

The test, in three questions

You do not need a lab or a degree. You need three questions that work on any big claim, and you already use them every time a friend forwards you something wild.

If it were true, what would we expect to see?A flat world would look different at sea and from space. A faked Moon landing would leave no hardware on the Moon. A spraying program would leave pilots, paperwork, and lab results.
What do we actually see?Look for things that people who disagree with each other can both check.
How many people would have to keep the secret?A physicist, David Grimes, did the math in a 2016 paper. The more people who know a secret, the sooner it comes out. His model covers the Moon hoax, not all four stories.

How big a secret can a group keep

Grimes counted the people who would have had to stay silent. Bars are on one true scale.

NASA at its 1965 peak, the Moon hoax group411,000 people
Grimes’s own cutoff for a “large” conspiracy (the abstract’s 1000 or more)1,000 people

Source: Grimes, PLOS ONE 11(1): e0147905, Table 2 and abstract. His model gave the Moon hoax 3.68 years until a 95 percent chance of exposure (Table 3). His model covers the Moon hoax, a climate hoax, a vaccine cover-up and a hidden cancer cure. It does not cover flat earth, chemtrails or September 11, so those three rest on questions 1 and 2.

The paper’s abstract says: “large conspiracies (≥1000 agents) quickly become untenable and prone to failure.” Grimes used the lowest leak rate he could justify from three real exposed secrets, so the model leans in the conspirators’ favor. It also assumes everyone on the payroll would have to be in on it, which he states as an assumption. His Table 4 lists 1,257 people as the most who could keep a secret for 10 years and stay under a 5 percent chance of exposure (the paper’s text rounds this to “less than 1000”). He also tested the model on real exposed secrets: the Tuskegee study involved about 6,700 people by his count and lasted 25 years before it came out. A Moon hoax would need 411,000.

Four stories, one test

What each theory says, what you would expect, and what is actually there.

The storyIf it were true we would seeWhat is actually there
Flat earthShips would shrink to a dot without losing their hulls; sticks would cast matching shadows everywhere; the horizon would never curveFar ships lose their hulls first, though air can blur the view (photo above). Sticks in two cities cast different shadows at the same moment, which only points to a round Earth if the Sun is far away. Both can be checked.
The Moon landing was fakedNo hardware on the Moon, and other countries unable to find anythingReflectors on the Moon since 1969 that observatories in several countries still use. NASA’s orbiter photographs the landing sites (Wikipedia, Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter).
ChemtrailsA spraying program would need aircraft, chemicals, and the people who load and fly them, and scientists who study the sky finding tracesContrail physics explains the trails, and 76 of 77 atmospheric experts surveyed said they had seen no evidence of a spraying program.
September 11 was an inside jobLoud blasts on the video audio, steel that melted, and demolition crews who stayed quiet for the 25 years sinceNIST: steel did not melt, it weakened. NIST says a blast big enough would have been 130 to 140 decibels at half a mile, and that no blast sounds were heard on the video audio or reported by witnesses.

Sources: all linked below; each number is quoted from its own source.

The exhibits

These are primary sources, so you can read the words yourself: a physics paper, a peer-reviewed survey of experts, two pages from the federal institute (NIST) that investigated the World Trade Center, and the project page of a university team that fires lasers at the Moon. NIST and NASA are the agencies the stories accuse, so each claim also sits next to a check from somewhere else.

Exhibit A

Grimes, “On the Viability of Conspiratorial Beliefs,” PLOS ONE

Published January 26, 2016

“… the results of this model suggest that large conspiracies (≥1000 agents) quickly become untenable and prone to failure.”

What it establishes: Counting the NASA workforce at its 1965 peak (411,000), the paper gives the Moon hoax 3.68 years until a 95 percent chance of exposure. It models four claims: the Moon landing, a climate hoax, vaccine danger, and a suppressed cancer cure. It does not model flat earth, chemtrails, or September 11.

Read the paper on PLOS ONE
Exhibit B

Shearer et al., “Quantifying Expert Consensus Against the Existence of a Secret, Large-Scale Atmospheric Spraying Program,” Environmental Research Letters

Published August 2016

“76 of the 77 scientists (98.7%) that took part in this study said they had not encountered evidence of a SLAP, and that the data cited as evidence could be explained through other factors, including well-understood physics and chemistry associated with aircraft contrails and atmospheric aerosols.”

What it establishes: These are researchers who publish on contrails and on what falls out of the air: 49 contrail experts and 28 atmospheric deposition experts, drawn from the authors of the most-cited papers in their fields. 76 of 77 said they had not seen evidence. The one who said yes pointed to high levels of barium in a remote area. (SLAP is the paper’s abbreviation for a secret, large-scale atmospheric spraying program.)

Read the paper
Exhibit C

NIST (the U.S. National Institute of Standards and Technology), WTC Towers FAQ

NIST investigation of the World Trade Center

“In no instance did NIST report that steel in the WTC towers melted due to the fires.” “When bare steel reaches temperatures of 1,000 degrees Celsius, it softens and its strength reduces to roughly 10 percent of its room temperature value.”

What it establishes: The popular line, “jet fuel cannot melt steel beams,” is true and beside the point. Nothing had to melt. NIST also reports upper-layer air temperatures of about 1,000 degrees Celsius in the towers.

NIST Towers FAQ
Exhibit D

NIST, WTC 7 FAQ, on whether explosives could have done it

NIST investigation of Building 7

“the smallest blast capable of failing the building’s critical column would have resulted in a sound level of 130 decibels (dB) to 140 dB at a distance of at least half a mile.” “No blast sounds were heard on the audio tracks of video recordings during the collapse of WTC 7 or reported by witnesses.” “NIST concluded that blast events inside the building did not occur and found no evidence supporting the existence of a blast event.”

What it establishes: A checkable consequence: a sound like that, in lower Manhattan, with cameras rolling. These are NIST’s statements, so they are worth checking against the videos yourself. NIST says it also looked at thermite and found it “highly unlikely that it could have been used to sever columns in WTC 7.”

NIST WTC 7 FAQ
Exhibit E

APOLLO, the lunar laser ranging project led from the University of California, San Diego

Project page

“A total of four lunar retroreflectors are functional: three Apollo reflectors from Apollo 11, 14, and 15… and one French-built, Soviet landed (unmanned) unit from the Luna 21 mission.” Its laser measurements reach “about one millimeter of precision in range to the moon.”

What it establishes: A team using a telescope in New Mexico fires a laser at the reflectors on the Moon and gets the light back. The same page lists a French-built reflector that the Soviet Union landed without a crew.

APOLLO project page

Flat earth: two checks you can make

This is the oldest of the four, and the easiest to test, which is why it is useful. People have measured the Earth since ancient Greece.

In the old account of Eratosthenes, on the summer solstice at noon, a rod at Syene cast no shadow while a rod in Alexandria did. Wikipedia’s summary: “At noon on the summer solstice, there were still shadows in Alexandria. However, in Syene, rods cast no shadows, and the Sun’s rays shone straight down into the city-center well.”

Two rods, one moment, two different shadowsSyene: no shadow. Alexandria: a shadow.
The angle was about 7.2 degreesThat is 1/50 of a full circle.
The cities were about 5,000 stadia apartA stadion is an ancient unit of length. Distance was measured by professional walkers called bematists.
5,000 times 50 is about 250,000 stadiaThat was his number for the whole way around the Earth.
Wikipedia converts this to about 40,338 km, against the modern 40,075 kmIt was close, partly by luck: Wikipedia notes two of his errors happened to cancel, and nobody is sure how long his stadion was.

A flat-earth believer can answer that the shadows would also differ if the Sun were close and the ground flat. Eratosthenes’s method assumes the Sun is very far away, so on its own it does not settle the question. That is why there is a second check.

The second check is the photo at the top. A ship that is far away sinks from the bottom up. Sail out of a harbor and watch the hull go first. On a flat table, a ship just gets smaller and smaller. It never loses its bottom half. Believers answer that air bends light and makes ships look lower or higher than they are. It does, and the early frames of that photo show it. So neither check is the whole case alone. Each has a known weak spot, and each can be checked by someone who disagrees with you.

Wikipedia describes the situation this way: “Modern believers in a flat Earth face overwhelming publicly accessible evidence of Earth’s sphericity… To satisfy these tensions and maintain their beliefs, they generally embrace some form of conspiracy theory.” Firm belief is rare: “less than 2% acceptance in all age groups” (a 2018 study reported by Scientific American).

A fact about the claim The film Behind the Curve shows flat earth believers running their own experiments. Wikipedia’s summary of the film: believers “carry out experiments to test the hypothesis that the Earth is flat, the results of which confirm that the Earth is a globe, and so are discarded.” The step that fails is what they do after the result, not the experiment.

The Moon landing: mirrors you can ping

The Laser Ranging Retroreflector, photographed on the Moon in July 1969. The photo’s catalog description says astronomers around the world have “reflected laser light off the reflectors to measure precisely the Earth-Moon distance.” The panel of small mirrors faces upward and toward the camera; the lunar module sits at upper left. NASA photo AS11-40-5952. Image via Wikimedia Commons (public domain).

Reflectors prove there is hardware on the Moon. They do not, by themselves, prove people carried it there. Wikipedia’s Lunar Laser Ranging page says: “Three were placed by the United States’ Apollo program (11, 14, and 15)… two by the Soviet Lunokhod 1 and 2 missions.” Unmanned Soviet landers put two of them there, and the APOLLO page above says so itself. So the mirrors answer one question: whether a hoax staged on Earth could have put working reflectors on the Moon, and observatories in several countries have bounced light off them since 1969. For the question of people, add the other checks below, and remember that NASA is the source for some of them, so treat each as one more thing to check, not the last word.

Who has checked the Moon without NASA staff

Ranging stations that fire lasers at the reflectors on the Moon.

WhoWhat they didSource
Lick Observatory, CaliforniaFirst reported a successful return on August 1, 1969Wikipedia, Lunar Laser Ranging experiment
Pic du Midi (France), Tokyo Astronomical Observatory, McDonald Observatory (Texas), and a U.S. Air Force lab in ArizonaEarly detections that soon followedSame
Côte d’Azur Observatory, FranceListed as an active ranging stationSame
Matera, ItalyActive since 2003Same
APOLLO, Apache Point, New Mexico (UC San Diego)About one millimeter of precision. Also bounces light off a Soviet-landed reflectorUCSD APOLLO project page
Wettzell, GermanyOperational since 2018Wikipedia, Lunar Laser Ranging experiment

The Wikipedia entries summarize the observatories; the APOLLO page is the project’s own. Some of these stations are American, so the point is that they are not NASA staff, not that no one in the U.S. is involved.

On radiation, the numbers are NASA’s, and they are public: anyone can read the same report. NASA’s 1973 report, TN D-7080, lists the average skin dose for each flight crew from Apollo 7 through 15. That includes Earth-orbit and lunar-orbit flights as well as the landings. The smallest was 0.16 rads, the largest 1.14 (Apollo 14). Apollo 11’s was 0.18. The report says the maximum operational dose limit for each mission was 400 rads to the skin. So the “Van Allen belts would have killed them” argument runs into NASA’s own dosimeter readings.

The believers have a real point here too. The same report says a large solar flare could have given the crews much more, especially inside the thin-walled lunar module or outside on the surface, and that the doses were small because “no major solar-particle events occurred.” Radiation was a real risk. It did not happen on those flights.

A fact about the claim NASA really did lose something, and believers are right about it. The raw data tapes from Apollo 11 were erased and reused in the early 1980s because of a shortage of data tapes for the Landsat program. They had been “recorded on telemetry data tapes mostly as a backup in case the real-time conversion and broadcast around the world failed.” The broadcast copies survived: Wikipedia lists NTSC videotapes and kinescope film of the broadcast. Losing a backup tape is carelessness. It is not evidence of a fake.

Chemtrails: real science next door

Contrails over Europe in a U.S. Army Air Forces photograph, 1943. The file note reads: “contrails (vapor trails) made by their escort fighters curve through the sky above the formation.” Long white trails behind aircraft were being photographed decades before the “chemtrail” idea. The print is high-contrast, so the trails look brighter than they did. Photo: Sgt. Stanley M. Smith, USAAF; Smithsonian National Air and Space Museum. Image via Wikimedia Commons (public domain).

Start with what the believers are half-remembering, because it is true. Cloud seeding is real: in November 1946 a researcher named Schaefer caused snow to fall near Mount Greylock in Massachusetts by dropping dry ice into a cloud, and today China runs the largest seeding system in the world. Solar geoengineering research is real too. Harvard’s SCoPEx was a balloon experiment on stratospheric aerosols, and Harvard says “SCoPEx was cancelled in March 2024.” Wikipedia also reports that in 2013 the CIA, NASA, and NOAA “intended to provide funds to the National Academy of Sciences to conduct research into methods to counteract global warming with geoengineering.” All of that was named, funded, and published. None of it is a secret spraying program.

A contrail is the trail left by water vapor in jet exhaust in cold, high air. Why some vanish and some last, in Wikipedia’s words: “Depending on the temperature and humidity at the altitude where the contrails form, they may be visible for only a few seconds or minutes, or may persist for hours and spread to be several kilometres/miles wide.” Same plane, different air.

What the people who study the sky say

A 2016 peer-reviewed survey asked 77 experts, 49 on contrails and 28 on what settles out of the air, picked from the authors of the most-cited papers in their fields.

76 of 77
said they had not encountered evidence of a secret spraying program
98.7%
the same answer as a share of all who took part

Source: Shearer et al., Environmental Research Letters 11(8), 2016, abstract. One of the 77 said yes, pointing to high barium in a remote area.

September 11: what NIST measured

Here is the part the believers have right. NIST says Building 7 fell freely for a stretch. It split the fall into three stages: Stage 1 (0 to 1.75 seconds), “acceleration less than that of gravity (i.e., slower than free fall)”; Stage 2 (1.75 to 4.0 seconds), “gravitational acceleration (free fall)”; Stage 3 (4.0 to 5.4 seconds), “decreased acceleration, again less than that of gravity.” By NIST’s own stage times, the free-fall stage lasts about 2.25 seconds. In NIST’s words: “During Stage 2, the north face descended essentially in free fall, indicating negligible support from the structure below.” NIST says the question came up during public comment on its draft report, when it “was asked to confirm this time difference and define the reasons for it in greater detail,” and its final report includes the stages.

Building 7, 18 stories, on one scale

NIST: “the north face of the building descended 18 stories (the portion of the collapse visible in the video) in 5.4 seconds.”

Free fall, pure, for the same 18 stories3.9 seconds
What NIST measured5.4 seconds

Source: NIST WTC 7 FAQ. NIST says the measured time was “40 percent longer than the 3.9 seconds this process would have taken if the north face of the building had descended solely under free fall conditions.”

NIST says what started the collapse was a girder on Floor 13 that “lost its connection to a critical column, Column 79,” and that “The unsupported Column 79 then buckled and triggered an upward progression of floor system failures.” In its model, the exterior columns had buckled by the free-fall stage. NIST’s conclusion: “Heating of floor beams and girders caused a critical support column to fail, initiating a fire-induced progressive collapse that brought the building down.” For the towers, NIST says the first exterior panels took “approximately 11 seconds for WTC 1 and approximately 9 seconds for WTC 2” to reach the ground. NIST’s answer to why it was that fast is that the structure below where the collapse started offered minimal resistance to the falling mass above.

What NIST does not say NIST’s report on explosives is a physical argument about sound, plus its statement that “There has not been any conclusive evidence presented to indicate that highly reactive pyrotechnic material was present in the debris of WTC 7.” It is not a claim that every beam was chemically tested. The case rests on what a demolition would have required: the noise, the preparation across the building, and the silence of everyone involved. Grimes’s paper models other claims, not this one, so the numbers above do not apply to it directly. The logic of the third question does.

What is true on the other side

When a feeling is asked to settle a fact

Before the scriptures, one thing plainly. Smart, sincere people believe things for reasons other than evidence, and so does everyone: a skeptic can hold a pet theory on a hunch too. The comparison here is about one method, trusting a feeling to settle a factual question. It says nothing about anyone’s intelligence or character. A feeling can tell you what you value. It cannot tell you how far away the Moon is, and the three questions are how you find that out.

You were probably taught, as a child, how to know something is true. Here are the words in your own scriptures and a conference talk, exactly as printed.

Moroni 10:4-5, a verse many members memorized in seminary or Sunday School

“And when ye shall receive these things, I would exhort you that ye would ask God, the Eternal Father, in the name of Christ, if these things are not true; and if ye shall ask with a sincere heart, with real intent, having faith in Christ, he will manifest the truth of it unto you, by the power of the Holy Ghost. And by the power of the Holy Ghost ye may know the truth of all things.”

The test offered here is a spiritual witness, and many sincere people have felt something real. The question is only whether a feeling can settle which of two competing factual claims is true. People in every religion, and in some of the four stories on this page, report the same certainty.

Moroni 10 on churchofjesuschrist.org

Doctrine and Covenants 9:8-9

“But, behold, I say unto you, that you must study it out in your mind; then you must ask me if it be right, and if it is right I will cause that your bosom shall burn within you; therefore, you shall feel that it is right. But if it be not right you shall have no such feelings, but you shall have a stupor of thought that shall cause you to forget the thing which is wrong; therefore, you cannot write that which is sacred save it be given you from me.”

The order matters: study it out in your mind first, then ask. That is a good order. The question this page asks is what you do when the study and the feeling point in different directions. On a factual question, the study has to win, as it did when you checked the Moon for yourself. (That last line is this page’s view, not the Church’s.)

D&C 9 on churchofjesuschrist.org

President Dieter F. Uchtdorf, “Come, Join with Us,” general conference, October 2013

“It’s natural to have questions…” “There are few members of the Church who, at one time or another, have not wrestled with serious or sensitive questions.” “Faith is to hope for things which are not seen but which are true.” “…please, first doubt your doubts before you doubt your faith.” And the sentence after it: “We must never allow doubt to hold us prisoner and keep us from the divine love, peace, and gifts that come through faith in the Lord Jesus Christ.”

This is a kind appeal, and it starts by saying that questions are natural. The only point here is the order of operations he recommends: question the doubt first. A method for finding out what is true would put the doubt and the belief through the same test.

Read the talk

Run those questions on the Church’s claims that can be checked, and see what you find. The Book of Abraham page does it with the Church’s own essay and the original papyri. The How We Know Things page explains why a witness of the Spirit cannot settle between faiths, and Motivated Reasoning shows why smart people defend what they already hold. The sunk cost page shows why a bet is hard to walk away from, and a lifetime is harder.

The common rebuttals

“It looks flat to me. I can see for miles and the ground does not curve.” Over a few miles the curve is too gentle for the eye. At about 18 km the geometry says the sea has dropped about 23 meters below a level line from the camera, which is why a ship keeps rising out of the haze as it comes closer. Believers answer that the air bends light and makes ships look lower or higher than they are. It does, and the photo above shows it. That is why ships are only one of the two checks.

“The government has lied before. Why would I trust NASA or NIST?” Don’t take any one source’s word. Ask who else can check. Observatories in France, Italy, Germany, and New Mexico fire their own lasers at the Moon. Tuskegee and Tonkin were real, and they came out through an Associated Press story, an advisory panel, and a declassified study, though only after decades. Grimes’s math says a secret needing 411,000 people would not last nearly that long.

“The scientists are paid off.” Then no scientist could ever tell you anything, and no evidence could ever count against the story. A belief that no answer can touch cannot be tested. Ask a different question: what would a spraying program have to leave behind? Pilots, tanker planes, chemical purchases, and people who handle the chemicals.

“Jet fuel can’t melt steel.” Correct, and NIST never said it did: “In no instance did NIST report that steel in the WTC towers melted due to the fires.” Steel at 1,000 degrees Celsius keeps roughly 10 percent of its room-temperature strength. Softening is enough.

You do not have to take any one source’s word for it.

What would we see, what do we see, and how many would have to keep quiet.

What this means

A ship comes up over the horizon the way a round Earth says it should, though air can blur the view. Observatories in several countries bounce light off reflectors on the Moon that were put there between 1969 and 1973, and NASA’s orbiter photographs the landing sites. Seventy-six of seventy-seven sky experts say they have seen no evidence of a spraying program. NIST says Building 7 came down in three stages over 5.4 seconds, one of them free fall for about two and a quarter seconds, and that it found no evidence of a blast. In each case the believers were not stupid and the evidence was not hidden.

Four stories about the world, and the first two questions took each one apart. The third, the headcount, is Grimes’s math on the Moon story only.

The three questions do not care who is asking. They can be run on any claim, including your own.

When a feeling and a measurement disagree, which one do you let decide?

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