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The Standards vs. Who Gets Defended

The bar a member must clear to enter the temple, set beside the conduct many members came to defend. Including one Utah senator, in his own words.

The argument

This is not a page about how anyone votes. Voting is a choice between two options, and choosing the less bad one is an honest position. This page is about something narrower.

The Church holds its own members to a specific, enforced standard of honesty and chastity. In 2016 the Church’s own newspaper, and Utah Senator Mike Lee, said one candidate failed that standard so badly he should quit. The conduct did not change. The defending did.

The standard is written down.In the temple recommend interview, word for word.
In 2016, Utah applied it.The Deseret News and Senator Mike Lee both called on him to step aside.
The record since then got heavier, not lighter.A criminal conviction, a civil finding of sexual abuse, and more than 30,000 false or misleading claims, by the Washington Post’s count.
The same senator went from “step aside” to “wholeheartedly.”His own words, in order.
A standard that bends for the powerful is not a standard.It is a rule for the people who cannot help you.

1. The standard, in the Church’s own words

Every adult who wants to enter the temple sits with a bishop and answers the same published questions. Two of them:

Temple recommend interview questions, announced October 2019

The Lord has said that all things are to be “done in cleanliness” before Him (Doctrine and Covenants 42:41). Do you strive for moral cleanliness in your thoughts and behavior? Do you obey the law of chastity?

Do you strive to be honest in all that you do?
Read the questions

Youth are taught the same thing in For the Strength of Youth: “Do not steal, lie, cheat, or deceive in any way” and “Be the same faithful follower of Jesus Christ in public and in private.” And the thirteenth Article of Faith begins: “We believe in being honest, true, chaste, benevolent, virtuous …”

This standard is not decoration. It is enforced. A member can lose temple access, and miss a child’s wedding, over coffee or an unpaid tithe.

2. In 2016, Utah held him to it

On October 7, 2016, a 2005 recording surfaced of Donald Trump describing how he approached women: “I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. I just kiss. I don’t even wait. And when you’re a star, they let you do it.” He apologized: “I said it, I was wrong and I apologize.”

The next day, the Church-owned Deseret News, a paper that had stayed out of presidential endorsements for 80 years, called on him to quit.

Deseret News editorial, October 8, 2016

What oozes from this audio is evil. We hear a married man give smooth, smug and self-congratulatory permission to his intense impulses, allowing them to outweigh the most modest sense of decency, fidelity and commitment.

The editorial ends: “We ask him to step aside.”

Read the editorial

Hours before that editorial, in the first hour of October 8, Utah Senator Mike Lee, a Latter-day Saint and returned missionary, posted a video from his home.

Senator Mike Lee, Facebook video, posted early October 8, 2016

It’s occurred to me on countless occasions today that if anyone spoke to my wife, or my daughter, or my mother, or any of my five sisters, the way Mr. Trump has spoken to women, I wouldn’t hire that person, wouldn’t want to be associated with that person, and I certainly don’t think I’d be comfortable hiring that person to be the leader of the free world.

And, speaking to Trump directly: “With all due respect, you, sir, are the distraction. Your conduct, sir, is the distraction.”

Fortune on the video

Utah’s vote that November reflected it. Trump won the state with 45.5%, to 27.5% for Hillary Clinton and 21.5% for Evan McMullin, a Latter-day Saint independent. Nationally, exit polls found Latter-day Saints far less enthusiastic for Trump than they had been for Mitt Romney four years earlier.

3. What the record became

Here it matters to use the right words. A criminal conviction and a civil finding are different things, and this page keeps them apart.

Exhibit A

Criminal conviction, New York

May 30, 2024

A Manhattan jury convicted him on all 34 felony counts of falsifying business records, tied to hush money paid before the 2016 election to keep an affair quiet. He was sentenced in January 2025 to an unconditional discharge. His appeal is pending.

What it establishes: Falsifying records to hide an affair touches both temple questions at once: honesty and chastity.

Exhibit B

Civil finding, federal court

May 9, 2023

A federal jury found him liable for sexually abusing the writer E. Jean Carroll and for defaming her, and awarded $5 million. The jury did not find rape under New York’s definition. The Supreme Court declined to hear his appeal in June 2026. A second jury awarded $83.3 million for further defamation; that award has been upheld on appeal and is now before the Supreme Court.

What it establishes: This is a civil finding by a jury, not a criminal conviction. It is still a finding.

Exhibit C

The Washington Post Fact Checker

January 2021

30,573 false or misleading claims over his first four years in office, about 21 a day.

What it establishes: “Do you strive to be honest in all that you do?”

4. The same senator, in order

Oct 2016
“You, sir, are the distraction.” Lee asks Trump to step aside.
Nov 2016
Lee votes for Evan McMullin.
Oct 2020
At an Arizona rally: “To my Mormon friends … think of him as Captain Moroni.”
Dec 8, 2020
After the election, in a text to the White House chief of staff: “If a very small handful of states were to have their legislatures appoint alternative slates of delegates, there could be a path.”
Jan 3, 2021
He pulls back: “this effort is destined not only to fail, but to hurt DJT in the process.” He votes to certify the election.
Jan 12, 2024
“I wholeheartedly endorse Donald J. Trump in his bid for the presidency in 2024.”

The texts came out in 2022 through the House January 6 committee’s records, first reported by CNN. Lee’s defense was that he was asking questions, not advocating: “At no point in any of those was I engaging in advocacy.” He did vote to certify, and that deserves to be said.

Captain Moroni, for anyone who did not grow up with him, is the Book of Mormon’s model of a righteous military leader, the man of whom it says that if all men were like him, “the very powers of hell would have been shaken forever” (Alma 48:17).

Between 2016 and 2024, the conduct only accumulated. What changed was who was willing to say so.

What is true on the other side

The common rebuttals

“We are electing a president, not a bishop.”

Agreed. But this page is not about the ballot. It is about the defending: calling the tape locker-room talk, disputing what juries found, holding him up as Captain Moroni. The temple recommend does not ask whom you voted for. It asks whether you are honest, and whether you call evil good.

“Everyone in politics lies.”

Then the honesty question would rule out everyone, and members would hold all of them at arm’s length. Instead, one man got called Captain Moroni. The standard was not applied evenly. It was applied, and then suspended for one person.

“He has repented. People change.”

Repentance, as the Church teaches it, includes confessing, making restitution, and forsaking the sin. A man who still calls the accusation a hoax after a jury found him liable has not done the first step. A bishop would not accept that from a member, and it would be strange to accept less from a president than from a priest.

What this means

Every member has watched the standard applied to someone they love: a teenager who confessed, a parent who sat outside the temple at a child’s wedding. It is real, and it is enforced.

So it is fair to ask what it means when the same community, and the same senator, stop applying it the moment the person in question is powerful and useful.

A standard that bends for the powerful is not a standard. It is a rule for the people who cannot help you.

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