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The Resurrection

Concede that Jesus existed and was crucified. The rest is where it gets hard.

Concede all of this immediately

Never use this

Jesus mythicism, the claim that he never existed, is a fringe position rejected by essentially every professional historian including atheist ones. Using it will end the conversation and cost you everything else on this site.

The one thing that does not follow

Historians establish what probably happened using natural analogies. A unique, unrepeated suspension of the laws of nature is by definition not something historical method can certify.

Ehrman puts it precisely, and note that it cuts both ways: "Historians have no way of confirming or disconfirming it (let me stress: history cannot show that it didn't happen any more than it can show that it did!)." Source

So when someone says the resurrection is the best-attested event in ancient history, the honest answer is that the belief in it is well attested.

Why "minimal facts" overstates the consensus

The detail almost nobody knows

The earliest source, the creed Paul quotes in 1 Corinthians 15:3-8, dated to within a few years of the crucifixion, lists appearances with no physical detail at all. No empty tomb. No women.

The tactile details, eating fish and Thomas putting hands in wounds, appear only in the later gospels, 40 to 70 years out. That is the shape of legendary development.

Hume's razor

"That no testimony is sufficient to establish a miracle, unless the testimony be of such a kind, that its falsehood would be more miraculous, than the fact, which it endeavours to establish." Read Hume in full

Say the symmetry out loud: this is the exact standard Christians use to reject the Book of Mormon witnesses and every other faith's miracles. The argument is not special pleading against Christianity. It is the refusal to exempt it.

When they say

"The disciples died for what they saw." Correct, and it rules out conspiracy. It does not rule out sincere mistake. People have died for beliefs in every religion, including ones Christians consider false.

"Why invent women as the first witnesses?" This is a genuinely good argument and worth conceding. It suggests the tomb tradition was not fabricated wholesale. It does not establish that a body was raised.

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